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Here's a drawing of one of my favorites: A "P Motor" Art work by Stacy Kinlock Sewell |
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Welcome to the "Second Section" of the New York Central Home Page
Here's a preview of some of the exciting projects we have put together for you: What Made Up the New York Central Railroad? New York Central Railroad Pictures New York Central Map Section Follow the New York Central on Google Earth New York Central Reference Section Short Stories on the New York Central New York Central Motive Power Head End Equipment on the New York Central New York Central Business Cars Railroads in the Adirondacks Tunnels on the New York Central Our Big Four Section New York Central forums/discussion groups New York Central's Ken Knapp New York Central Interesting Rail Links New York Central Milk Business New York Central Pacemaker Service See KC Jones BLOG about Railroad History Our favorite Short Lines and Interesting Railway Stations A lot about NY Central's EMPIRE SERVICE. Even more about EMPIRE SERVICE. Take a quiz on Which One of These People Hurt New York City the Worst? |
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ALCO PA and PB at Beacon. Beacon Historical Society collection, courtesy of Bernie Rudberg A New York Central ALCO PA and PB are charging past Beacon on the way north and west. The National Biscuit Company building at left was the carton printing plant for Nabisco products. That building today is a museum of modern art in Beacon. The tracks at right were the CNE and New Haven which crossed over the NYC main on a bridge to Fishkill and the Maybrook line connection at Hopewell Junction. These tracks are still in use by MTA Metro North and AMTRAK. |
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New York Central Niagara pulling a passenger train. What better picture than this one to show what the Central was all about. The Niagara was the last of the great locomotives. Beacon Historical Society collection, courtesy of Bernie Rudberg This train is southbound at Beacon. You can see the road bridge over the tracks in the background. At left is the former NY&NE ferry yard that later was occupied by the CNE and the New Haven. Click here or on picture to see more about railroads in Beacon, New York |
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See our page featuring excerpts from the New York Central Lines Magazine |
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Over many years I have written numerous articles about the New York Central Railroad.
What I realized was that I had no one central (no pun intended) place where someone could go and find everything I have plus what others have too. Like great passenger trains, we added a second section, but don't miss the first section. |
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What Made Up the New York Central System? The New York Central and Hudson River Railroad Boston & Albany Railroad Canadian Southern Railway Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway (Big Four) Chicago River & Indiana Railroad Indiana Harbor Belt Lake Erie and Western Railroad Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway Michigan Central Railroad Peoria and Eastern Railway (P&E) Company Pittsburg & Lake Erie Railroad Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo Railway (73% NYC owned) Joint with Canadian Pacific Railway West Shore Railroad including the New Jersey Junction Railroad Amsterdam, Chuctanunda and Northern Railroad Niagara River Bridge Company Dayton Union Railway Niagara Junction Railway Central Indiana Railway New York Central's Fall Brook Subdivision Indianapolis Union Railway |
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The New York Central System .. One of the great railways of the 20th Century. Home of the Great Steel Fleet of passenger trains including the well known 20th Century Limited. Known as The Water Level Route, serving customers between New York/Boston and Chicago. NYC-Railroad@yahoogroups.com is a place to discuss the New York Central Railroad's US operations, including the Boston & Albany, Pittsburgh & Lake Erie, Peoria & Eastern, among others, as well as its Canadian divisions through Southern Ontario as well as the branch to Ottawa. Discussion is not limited solely to rail operations, since the NYC had significant marine and trucking operations as well. Current equipment spottings are encouraged. The only restrictions are that the information relates to the NYC or other lines operating under its flag. Modellers, historians and anyone with an interest in the NYC family of railways are welcome. |
New-York-Central-Railroad Forum
This group is dedicated to modelers, historians and fans of the late, great New York Central Railroad-gone, but not forgotten! |
NYC-RR Forum
This is a discussion and sharing group for friends and former employees of the "Water Level Route", the late and great New York Central Railroad Company. Our focus is primarily historical, and mostly limited to the NYC ( and PC successor ) period prior to ConRail. Our emphasis is upon routes, signaling, towers and operations. |
Troy and Schenectady Branch\Railroad Welcome to the T&S Branch. A group devoted to the discussion and history of the Troy and Schenectady Branch\Railroad between Schenectady and Troy New York. Although abandoned now, this line was part of the original New York Central Railroad. |
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Peoria & Eastern Railway Forum To share information, photos and memorabilia relating to the Peoria & Eastern Railway. All fans of this former New York Central subsidiary are welcome! Any conversations and photos of P&E railroad models are welcome as well. |
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The New York Central Railroad See some historic photographs of the New York Central Railroad. First-generation diesels! Passenger and freight runs. Much more New York Central! |
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OUR MAP SECTION
1929 System Map (from the Wiki) Big Four Indianapolis Map Indiana Maps 1918 New York Central Lines 1876 New York State railroad map 1930 New York Central System |
Click on map to enlarge (and see other) maps of the Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Railroad (from Rails & Trails) |
What's a "Chicago Bypass"?
Why do we need a "Chicago Bypass"? Click on any doctor above to see why. |
How did the Vanderbilts travel on the New York Central? Some of the New York Central's "Business Cars" have been preserved. Some are even for hire. You can charter New York Central 3 Pictured at the right is "The America", built in 1928. Find out more about New York Central "Business Cars". |
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Adirondack Division Forum
This group covers one of the three Canadian lines that the New York Central had, the Adirondack Division/St. Lawrence & Adirondack Railway. |
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Interested in Penn Central? New York Central? Pennsylvania Railroad? New Haven Railroad? or in the smaller Eastern US railroads? Then you will be interested in "What if the Penn Central Merger Did Not Happen". You will also enjoy "Could George Alpert have saved the New Haven?" as well as "What if the New Haven never merged with Penn Central?" |
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| Good Ship 466 See this 1/10 scale Navy destroyer on wheels used for parades. Why the "466"? That is the address of the New York Central in New York City: 466 Lexington Avenue. (Photo clipped from a 1950 New York Central Headlight) |
| Not including any cars (or locomotives) which were "re-marked" prior to the dissolution of Conrail into CSX and Norfolk Southern - cars re-marked were Conrail cars going to CSX, 13 cars still were listed in the October 1996 ORER carrying NYC marks. They were eleven 53' Flats in the #506000-506199 series, and two 4,700 cubic foot Covered Hoppers in the #886326-886675 series. In the January 1996 ORER, there were still 50 Boxcars, 11 RBL's, 103 Flats, 8 Gons and 27 Covered Hoppers still with NYC (original) reporting marks. |
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Here is a picture of Track 61. See what is so mysterious about Track 61 at Grand Central Terminal.. Also find out about a railroad that did NOT make it to Conrail: The New York & Harlem. Find out about Metro-North. |
New York Central Branch from DeKalk Junction to Ogdensburg, In 1861, the Potsdam & Watertown line merged into the Watertown&Rome, the name of the new railroad was changed to Rome, Watertown&Ogdensburg, and a 19-mile line built from DeKalb Junction to Ogdensburg. It lasted until the 1980's. Read the whole story. | On June 13, 1845 the Troy & Greenbush Railroad opened between Troy and Greenbush, NY. It is the last link in an all-rail line between Boston and Buffalo. See more random dates in railroad history. | Isn't it amazing how much we all remember (and have forgotten about the NY Central)? 40 plus years? OMG, we rode parlors to Chatham and sleepers to the Adirondacks. Geez, we remember a lot. Why is all this stuff gone? Why did we have a PC and a Conrail. |
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Picture at left is Ken Knapp enjoying the Hudson River near Tarrytown, New York.
He was a former Paymaster of the New York Central. He started with the railroad when the employees were paid in cash and a pay car visited all the Central's locations. He worked with William Ingraham, John L. Burdett. and Hy Taylor. He moved to Albany for one year, but the station did not have adequate room for the payroll department, so he went to Utica for the rest of his career. When the railroad began paying by check instead of cash, he oversaw the first computer bought by the New York Central. It took up almost a whole floor in Utica's Union Station. A feature article on his career and his retirement appeared in the July/August issue of HEADLIGHT - the New York Central magazine. I remember meeting Norman Stone, the editor of the magazine, when the article was written. He even included a picture of my dog (with my grandfather). In his 47-year career, he worked many years on a pay car. These cars lasted through the 1920's. At one time, the Central had five pay cars on the road. Each car had two payroll clerks and a railroad police detective. A typical car had an office, berths, a stateroom and facilities for meal preparation. Several times the pay car had several million dollars on board in a safe and in "strong boxes" hidden under the berths (but still only one detective). During World War I when the railroads were nationalized, the pay cars were under control of the Secretary of the Treasury, William McAdoo. In this period, payroll for other railroads were sometimes carried: for instance, Delaware & Hudson payroll was carried from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to Albany (other times this was sent in leather pouches by registered mail... I still have some of the mail tags addressed to New York State Bank). He was born in 1890 and died in 1974. See more here |
New York Central Mail Tag for Pay Car This tag was on canvas money bags which were shipped from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in the Equitable Building to the New York State National Bank in Albany, New York. This money was destined for the account of the New York Central Rail Road. This package cost two 20-cent stamps to ship! It was sent "insured mail", which "by direction of the post office department these articles are handled and accorded the same treatment as registered mail." |
During the First World War, all railroads in the United States were seized by the Government, which created the United States Railroad
Administration. This shipment occured in March, 1918. At Albany, the money was transferred to a New York Central "pay car" which roamed the system paying the employees in cash. Pay cars (at this time, the Central operated five) were manned by two paymasters and a railroad detective. The "Fed" is no longer in the Equitable Building, the New York State National Bank no longer exists, the New York Central Railroad merged into Penn Central, which folded into Conrail, then was carved up by CSX and NS. Railroad workers now get paid by Direct Deposit. |
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New York Central Motive Power
Here are some good sources on the motive power of the New York Central System: New York Central Diesel Roster. Box cabs and beyond! Rolling Stock Photographic Roster. New York Central Lines Steam Locomotives Richard Leonard's steam locomotive archive New York Central Motive Power First Generation Diesel Power 1945-1957 PDF images of NYC classification and dimensions books |
These pictures are from the New York Central Museum in Elkhart, Indiana. 
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The prototype for this excellent scale model railroad embodies many of the great aspects of railroading that we write about: the New York Central System, New York City, "Alphabet Routes", Long Island, car ferries, and more. |
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This picture from the Danbury Rail Museum shows "GCT 1", a wrecking crane that ran inside New York's Grand Central Terminal. |
Many of my articles were published in the
CALLBOARD of the
Mohawk and Hudson
Chapter of the
National Railway Historical Society. and in the BRIDGE LINE BULLETIN of the Bridge Line Historical Society |
| More New York Central | Continuing an earlier discussion of New York Central's cross country connections, the April 1954 NYC Passenger Time Table (Form 1001) lists the 20th Century (except Sat.) or Commodore Vanderbilt (Sat.) to the Super Chief. It arrived at Chicago (La Salle St. Sta) at 7:45 and left Chicago (Dearborn Sta) at 19:00. Thru cars were one 4-4-2 and one 10-6 sleeper. The Chicagoan to the City of Los Angeles arrived Chicago (La Salle St. Sta) at 14:25 and left Chicago (CNW station) at 19:15. Thru car was a 10-6 sleeper. (The eastward version of this used the Commodore Vanderbilt). The Wolverine to the Sante Fe Overland arrived at La Salle at 11:20 and left CNW Station at 16:00 using a 10-6 sleeper. The Lake Shore Ltd. to California Zephyr arrived at La Salle at 11:00 and left Union Station at 15:00. Equipment was a 10-6 sleeper. Passengers could ride the through equipment. |
Railroad Roman lettering on engines began to be replaced with Gothic
(sans-serif) about 1940.
Open platforms on observation cars began to be replaced about 1935, but some remained at least until the end of WW II. Although the NYC replaced six wheel trucks with four wheel trucks under some coaches when they were air conditioned in the mid 1930s, others kept six wheel trucks. |
What ever happened to my Penn Central stock? |
Penn Central gobbled up the stock of New York Central, Pennsylvania and New Haven Railroads.
But what ever happened to the company and the stock? Is it worth anything?
Ever hear of American Premier Underwriters? Find the answer and find out a lot of interesting facts. |
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Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad (Big 4)
The Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway(from the Wiki) System Track Chart (circa 1950) Cleveland District Employee Timetable (1930) See a great history of the Big Four |
History of the Evansville Indianapolis and Terre Haute Railroad
The E.I.& T.H.RR was the Evansville, Indianaplis & Terre Haute division of the New York Central. They purchased the line in 1920 and operated it as the NYC till the time of the merger with the PRR and then was operated as the Penn Central. The line is now operated by the Indiana Southern from Evansville to Elnora with trackage rights from Elnora to Beehunter over the Canadian Pacific, then over the old I&V division of the PRR to Indianapolis. Buy a book about this railroad written by Kenneth L and Mary Lou Reed |
Roger Hensley's Railroads of Madison County Click on the picture of the restored Andersonville depot to see this site. |
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Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad (Big 4) Indianapolis 1916 at left At right, Louisville Big Four Bridge, built 1929 over the Ohio River between Louisville, Kentucky and Jeffersonville, Indiana. The Louisville and Jeffersonville Bridge & Railroad Company was formed in 1887 to construct the bridge. Construction began in 1888 and after the loss of 37 lives building it the bridge opened in 1895. Company had several USRA 0-8-0's, lettered for L&JB&RR, but supplied by NYC or Big Four. Due to the increasing weight of the rail traffic, contracts were finalized in June 1928 to build a bigger bridge. The bridge fell into disuse after the Big Four Railroad's parent company, New York Central Railroad, was merged into Penn Central in 1968. |
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Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railroad (Big 4)
* Cairo, Vincennes and Chicago Railway Cairo and Vincennes Railroad * Central Railroad of Indianapolis * Central Union Depot and Railway Company of Cincinnati * Chicago, Indianapolis and St. Louis Short Line Railway * Cincinnati and Michigan Railroad * Cincinnati and Southern Ohio River Railway * Cincinnati and Springfield Railway * Cincinnati Northern Railroad Cincinnati, Jackson and Mackinaw Railway Cincinnati, Van Wert and Michigan Railroad Celina, Van Wert and State Line Columbus and Northwestern Railway Michigan and Ohio Railroad Allegan and Southeastern Railroad * Cincinnati, Hamilton, Middletown and Toledo * Cincinnati, Indianapolis, St. Louis and Chicago Railway * Cincinnati, Sandusky and Cleveland Railroad Cincinnati, Dayton and Eastern Railroad * Cincinnati, Wabash and Michigan Railway Cincinnati, Wabash and Michigan Railroad * Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Indianapolis Railway Bellefontaine Railway Bellefontaine and Indiana Railroad Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati Railroad Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati Railway * Cleveland, Indianapolis, St. Louis and Chicago Railway * Columbus, Hope and Greensburg Railroad * Columbus, Indianapolis and Western * Columbus, Springfield and Cincinnati Railroad * Mount Gilead Short Line Railway Mount Gilead Short Line Railroad The Louisville and Jeffersonville Bridge & Railroad Company |
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Several years ago I wrote a story on the major railroads of 1950 and what happened to them.
Now I am following up with a closer examination of the New York Central Railroad. This railroad only lasted until 1968 when it merged into Penn Central. But, what was the NY Central Railroad like in 1950? You will also be interested in "What if the Penn Central Merger Did Not Happen" |
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A graphic map of the New York Central in the Hudson Valley is available. This map was drawn by Otto Vondrak Click on picture at right. |
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Tunnels and Bridges on the New York Central
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